you say, joe, there's a reason for that. tell us what it is. >> well, the reason is that first of all, it's just too soon. we don't really know what the facts are. there are a lot of allegations out there. they are very serious allegations, but they really need to be investigated. before an employer like the v.a. or any government agency would take an action against an employee to fire them, for example, which could ruin their reputation, make it very unlikely that they could earn a livelihood, get another job, think of the impact on their family. before you take an action like that, you want to know what the facts are, so you get them right. you don't want a rush to judgment. these are very, very serious matters. they have grave implications on the employee who faces these allegations. >> but drew, we know a lot of facts. we know -- we know, for example, that people died because they were placed on these wait lists. >> reporter: absolutely. the government has known that for at least a year, if not longer. we know the wait list issue has been around for years and years