changed. could you get some minds changed where two-thirds of the senate votes to convict? that seems -- that seems unlikely at this point, but i think -- i think the white house's strategy is ignore the house and when it gets to the senate they'll have a slightly different game plan. >> but there's this strange dynamic where the white house's strategy is to ignore the house and the president is pretty much live tweeting or live responding during chopper talk as i think stephen colbert calls it to what's happening and so they're not really engaging and he has kind of a running commentary on what's going on and they're in a strange juxtaposition as happens in other context as well between the white house response and donald trump's response. >> just turning -- shifting gears a little bit. we've seen the president kind of distancing himself when it comes to rudy giuliani saying he didn't really know what he was doing in ukraine. giuliani said this week that he was joking when he said he had