can tell you we're conducting interviews and depositions almost every day. so while the public fights have been very much the center of attention in terms of our efforts to get steve bannon or meadows or these other people, the reality is that a great number of people are cooperating with us. we're making, i think, swift progress. we're getting documents and relevant information. so we're proceeding with great expedition, to those who don't cooperate, we're moving quickly as we did with steve bannon to hold them in criminal content. >> when we say at least five former trump staffers, is it five or more than five then that you've been talking to voluntarily? >> i don't want to comment on the number or the type of position. i can tell you that there's a great deal of work that's going on outside the public view that we will be having more public hearings, we've been discussing which of those to do next so the public can see demonstrably what we're working on. we are gathering a lot of