even if you believe that he has the right to claim privilege on that for a former president, these are communications with other folks. so he handed it over, and presumably as we've reported the president is furious about this and grows more and more furious about this. as he sees what was in his book and as he reads now what is in these documents. >> gloria borger, thank you for joining us. >> sure. >> we'll get the legal take from the former white house ethics czar and former u.s. ambassador, and also someone who served as special counsel for the house judiciary committee during president trump's first impeachment trial. norm, your reaction to these new details, the 38-page powerpoint that includes options for january 6th and some of these communications that we're learning about. your thoughts? >> ana, thanks for having me back. first, it sounds as if the