they were headed to this international conference in australia. a vigil was held for them there instead. among them were joe lang and his partner jacqueline van tongeren. the two the are mourned by a dallas reporter and reporter. she lists the achievements in the dallas morning news but she spends so much more time on his kindness and drive to help those too often forgotten in the epidemic, the poor. sima, welcome and i'm sorry for your loss. i appreciate you coming on so we can tell their stories and talk about their importance. just reading your piece in the dallas morning news, you say every day, we will be reminded of what a loss this is. can you just talk to me about joep specifically and what you mean by that? >> sure, it's a huge personal tragedy for myself and my family. he was a very special man, a kind humanitarian and doctor that he took the time to mentor me as a young woman. actually, had an impact on my