>> jeb doesn't really believe i'm unhinged. he said that very simply because he has failed in this campaign. it's been a total disaster. nobody cares. and frankly i'm the most solid person up here. i built a tremendous company. all i want to do is make america great again. >> well, it is a little bit of a romance. i like him. he likes me. he's backed me 100%. when it came to illegal immigration, he was the one person -- and there were a couple other candidates. ted cruz was out there and really backed me strongly as you know, as well as anybody else, and i always respected that. i thought that was very nice. and he actually asked me to come along here. i guess he figured there would be a big crowd. we certainly have gotten a big crowd. >> that was the sound bite i was looking for. kathy. a lot of people last night were watching for any potential attack regarding those two, again maybe to gloria's point, you know what happens when you try to jab back at trump. are you surprised at that, though? why not? >> look, it is interesting. everybody was looking for a