whenever he said it didn't matter what he discussed. what's coming under question is the white house is maintaining the president did nothing recall. all conversations with foreign leaders were above board. if that's the case, why is the white house blocking that information from becoming public if there's nothing to hide there, if there's nothing nefarious what it was the president said. of course, this comes as house democrats are investigating rudy giuliani and his interactions with the ukrainians which you heard last night. he said he feels that the president, if he did pressure the ukrainians to in his opinion straighten up to receive military aid money, rudy giuliani thinks that would be appropriate. >> kaitlan collins with the latest from the white house. thank you. whether or not ukraine is at the center of this whistle blower complaint we know the administration has as recently at this summer wanted that country to investigate the former vice president. take you back to may of this year when rudy giuliani considered traveling to ukraine