different thing. i wish we didn't use that word. i wish we had a different word. >> which is it, an intrinsic physical disorder? >> the orientation is disordered. it's not the person, but it is the act and the orientation, if i understand correctly, bishop. >> it is. the problem is the word "disorder" is interpreted in terms of mental faculties. >> well, disorder is a term that is out there to be interpreted as it sounds. a disorder. let's not parse it. >> is that going to change? i mean, that's what i think a lot of people are asking. >> some of the language he used early on, talking about the bureaucracy of the vatican, he talked about self-referential tendency toward theological narcissism, careerism, those are pretty tough words to hear from a pope six months in, as you said, delia, to people who have been working in the vatican. >> yeah. and like i said, some of them did take a little bit of umbrage. on the whole, of course, they