is or is not said in this deposition, by camille cosby, in the next few days, whether it potentially could find its way into the pennsylvania case? >> well, it absolutely could, fred. and that's why she will not testify. avery, don't be so sure. i'm involved now in a case where there is a pending criminal prosecution and an ancillary civil proceeding, and a california judge has deemed, no, we're going to proceed with the civil case. so you're not guaranteed a stay. most learned judges, i think, would give a stay in a civil case when there was a potential for it creeping its way into a criminal prosecution. obviously, a civil case, the remedies are dollars. criminal prosecutions, liberties, some of them potentially could go to prison. much more important and therefore, the civil case should be stayed. i'm sure they'll make a motion to try to stay it. i'm not sure it will be granted. but if she's compelled to testify, fred, because of the spousal privilege and the impact of jeopardizing the criminal case, she will not testify to