say about thirty cyber use. the real issue is cyber is the one military domain that is not governed. every other domain of war is governed but cyber. it tells you we still have a challenge and need to move forward and see if we can get our arms around that, because this will continue to be, as i said, a continual conflict online. it will happen forever. they did it, russia did it, and they've done it before in ukraine just a few years ago. so they're going after the bank system. they want to invalidate that economy. and this is, again, politics by other means. >> general spider marks, aaron david miller, good to see both of you. appreciate you. >> thank you, fred. >> thank you, fred. >> conducting that interview with president zelensky in munich is our cnn chief international anchor and correspondent christiane amanpour. she does it all. she sat down with the president. christiane, you asked him right off the bat, why are you here? why are you not in your country