fraudulent intent on a lot of these people who sat and signed a document not having a clue what they were doing and just having fun pretending that they were electors. but it is a serious activity to fraudulently represent yourself as an elector when you are not. but the organizers of who put this together, where the scheme came from, and it appears to have come right out of the trump campaign, the lawyers for the trump campaign because of the related documents that show that they are all aware of these bogus electors. and it was the device that they were going to use where pence could say, hey, there are conflicting electors, we need to send it back to the states to straighten it out. so it was all part of a master plot. >> appears to be the case absolutely. thanks as always for those perspectives. appreciate it, great to see you, sir. >> thanks, jim. and in the meantime, republicans in three states are