matter? we should narrow the question. >> yeah, it's hard to know where to begin with rudy giuliani. i think the least surprising news of the week was once we heard about this scheme, these fake elector certificates from seven different states, immediately i think it was obvious this has to have been centralized somehow. there's no way seven different states all came one this same idea. shocker, turns out the man in the middle of it all was rudy giuliani. for all of rudy giuliani's misconduct, for all of his abuses of power, this one to me stands out because you are not in a gray area when you are authoring or having other people author fake documents to submit to the united states government. i mean, in virtually any other context that's a crime. it's a crime to submit a fake document to the social security administration, to the irs. you name it. what is rudy giuliani doing here? he's overseeing the creation of fake documents to try to steal an election that gets submitted to the national archives. so again, i think this is something the committee needs to focus on and potentially prosecutors as well. >> and you know, the georgia --