against somebody that has 91 counts against them, and you don't even bring it up in a debate? how sad and pathetic is that? it just shows you're really not interested in winning. a lot of this is going to be about '28, who's going to be after trump because trump is going to be the republican nominee. i think biden is going to win this thing. i think biden is going to win it more comfortably than he did last time, but this is just a terrible intitle to me and i think a lot of us who used to work in the party of the depth the party has fallen to that it's embracing trump with this kind of intensity. >> what was the strategy all along here for nikki haley and ron desant and to some extent vivek ramaswamy, although he's sort of a nonfactor here. we were talking about with jeff zeleny and ron brownstein