people from the white house briefed on the call. this would not be something that -- >> i'm quite sure of this. the white house probably didn't leak this out. >> i wouldn't say the white house, but there are individuals within the white house that may or may not. i don't know. but it would not be from an intelligence intercept. i will say that. >> right. i'm not -- i'm just saying the dissemination of these calls is supposed to be sacred, right? and it is important for the state department and the appropriate agencies to get -- i'm not saying it's all the intelligence agency, but when a president talk toes a foreign leader, it's confidential. those contends are confidential. there could be some facts of that conversation that you do want to get to the appropriate agency, not just the -- not just the ic. i want to be clear about that. but this is now the third time. i'm not aware of this ever happening before. of contents of calls like this getting out. >> i really don't know, ranking