path for that. and you are right to know, poppy, that has not stopped amy klobuchar, as you just interviewed pete buttigieg, or the biden campaign, who calls it mystifying that she's now caving to the pressure and hasn't released this information prior to feeling all of this pressure. >> all right, david. we have a battle now, very much in public between hillary clinton, the former secretary of state, of course, former presidential candidate and tulsi gabbard, clinton making an unfounded comment that gabbard's a russian asset here. and now gabbard tweeting back. it's now clear this primary is between you and me. i'm clearly relishing attention. is this a sideshow or is there something substantiative to this and does this give new life to gabbard's campaign? >> well, if there's something truly substantiative, hillary clinton didn't offer that up in this podcast interview that she did with the former obama campaign manager and adviser, david plouffe. she just sort of -- the former secretary of state sort of put it out there and then her spokesperson sort of doubled