aware when this was happening, a, that it was dead wrong. he's the one in the text who calls it out most clearly and that, b, he needed to make a record. he's a career, nonpartisan public official and wants to put down a marker and say i'm not okay with this. what you see is the other people in those text chains panicking the other way. let's take this offline. call me. taylor is going to be a very important witness. >> what do you think the significance is of the reporting we've learned from "the washington post" that, at the same time that -- and following rudy giuliani's urging of the president to look at ukraine, et cetera and the bidens, that we had russian president vladimir putin joining with hungary's prime minister to push a disparaging, shall i say, view of ukraine on the white house and on the president. they did not mention the 2016 election or the bidens, but they reinforced, at the minimum, the president's view of ukraine. what does it tell you? >> well, look, i think it's been clear and alarming for quite