>> i wouldn't call it imminent, because imminence is a function of capability and intentions. i think the chinese have created much more of a threat, much more of a capability. they're buildingi ing up, but i would be an enormous roll of the dice, given the economic sanctions they would face, military uncertainties, all that. i can't rule out a nightmare scenario if something happened with iran. they made a dash for nuclear weapons. but my own view is the chinese are still some years away, most likely, from being in a position where they're confident they can move against taiwan in a convincing fashion. the challenge for us is over these few years to strengthen deterrence so xi jinping is dissuaded from ever making such a move. >> becoming more public. ambassador richard haass, always good to have you break it down for us. >> thank you, jim.