couple people in the building. we knew where they were. we couldn't get to them because of the structural dynamics of the building. but wow, it was tough. i mean, it was real tough to try to -- especially communicate that to the families of those victims, that the chances of us finding their loved ones alive were just almost gone toward the end of that effort. >> the building was creaking, the building was dangerous and unstable. and that was an urban area, so they needed to take the building down. >> i knew the two people that were -- that the bodies that they still hadn't gotten out at that time and, you know, that bothered me. i knew they had to do it. i knew that they needed to do that. >> i had the honor of standing by philip and ken thompson. they are the sons of virginia