have done with that information. but to me, the issue is this, that i think administration needs to give the american people more credit. i think we should have a much more publicebate about private programs, not giving out detailed information but leveling with the american public about what kind of information that administration thinks it needs. my problem is that so much of the war on terror is being conducted behind closed doors, whether it be the drone program or whether it be these nsa data collection programs, and the american public doesn't need to know every detail, but they certainly should be part of the discussion. >> senator murphy, thank you very much indeed for joining me. >> thanks, piers. coming up next, a man that never holds back, donald trump, and things hillary clinton will run and possibly win in 2016. that's all coming up.