and very, very tough gun control including a ban on handguns and all assault weapons and in america we have very lax gun control, you have 12,000 gun murders a year. how does that work in your what were -- wharped twisted logic? >> in virginia there was a 16% increase in gun sales in 2012. that's 490,119 guns were sold. you would expect the way you speak, piers, for violent crime to rise proportionally. it fell 5%. there was violence crime that includes those -- >> which has the -- >> women -- which has the -- >> which state has the highest murder rate in the country, according to the fbi? do you know. >>? >> no, i haven't looked at those stats. >> allow me to help you. allow me to help you -- >> [ overlapping speakers ] >> no, because here is the