loyalty with people that way and there is some people that where it goes beyond the point you can stick with them but try to stick with them. >> you judge a man, many people say, by his family, by his sons, his grandchildren, when you look down the line here, what do you feel about these two guys? >> i would love to be judged by the two howards. i feel very good about that. fortunately, they got their mother's genes. >> for viewers tuning in, they know you warren but may not be familiar with hw. give me an assessment. >> it started slow. [ laughter ] >> i think for the first two or three years we thought about putting him up for adoption. but he has developed into a h terrific human being and i love backing him in charitable work and he's done the same with his