reporter for the bergen record. the argument that's been spun until now from the christie camp is that they were conducting some traffic study. is there any credibility to that? is there any evidence to support it? is it likely that that was ever in their minds? >> well, if you call a traffic study three or four days before, the idea put forward that you're going to close a few lanes and look at that, i suppose you -- vaguely could call that a traffic but there are much better ways to do this. i mean, you've got cameras all over the place. you've got computers. you can look at the -- you can read the license plates. you know where people are coming from. it's hardly necessary to run -- to actually stop traffic and bring it down to one lane at that location. for 30 years it's been done that way. why not continue it? >> as you're talking, john,