is there any credibility to that? is there any evidence to support it? is it likely that that was ever in their minds? >> well, if you call a traffic study three or four days before, the idea put forward that you're going to close a few lanes and look at that, i suppose you -- vaguely could call that a traffic study. but there are much better ways to do this. i mean, you've got cameras all over the place. you've got computers. you can look at the -- you can read the license plates. you know where people are coming from. it's hardly necessary to run -- to actually stop traffic and bring it down to one lane at that location. for 30 years it's been done that way. why not continue it? >> as you're talking, john, we're actually looking at pictures from the time back in