two places. the pain was the worst pain i've ever felt. i looked at it as i felt it and it felt like the phantom pain. she described seeing her 97- year-old mother who was shot in the face dying next to her. she said "i knew she was not going to survive, i kissed my fingers and i touch my fingers to rescan, i cried out mommy". i am joined now by jeff sullivan who knew several of the victims in that synagogue. and, just a year or even a part of the testimonial, i imagine that it has been very difficult to hear the details of this entire tragedy all over again, throughout the trial. but that was also so important to getting the verdict that they received today. >> i mean, i think that the congressman said well, it is just a chancery court history so that everybody can hear what exactly what happened in painstaking detail. it's really hard to hear. and, i heard andrea's testimony, i'm listening to you repeated.