staff for trump. he talks about that infamous phone call to georgia secretary of state, where trump of course asked raffensperger to find him more votes. meadows excuse the call saying that trump believe there was fraud in georgia and you are trying to come up with a way to resolve the issues without going to court. now, brad raffensperger himself testified and called this out reach from president chief of staff setting up the call extraordinary in his words. so, we'll see which way the judge rules and of meadows can get his case out of state court. abby. >> yeah, very much important developments today, jessica, thank you and stand by for us. here with me in the studio's former gop congressman and host of the white flag podcast. joe walsh. also, wall street journal sabrina siddiqui, associate professor at law georgetown university peter johnson and former federal prosecutor gene rossi. i want to start with the lawyers at the table. both of you.