blowers and truth tellers than all administrations combined for nonspy activities. some refer it to as a war on democracy. it is highly hypocritical. all of those words aside, his actions speak far louder. you're right. it did take the obama administration to actually charge me. >> you still work in the computer field but as a former whistle-blower, it's a different one. what is life like for you now? >> quite different than it used to be. i sacrificed a lot. i faced 35 years in prison. i was able to hold off the government. that's a huge thing. i was able to keep my freedoms. i work now in a very different arena. i sell computers to the public. it's quite a different life. i actually had to rebuild it. not easy. >> and so what did you learn from your trip to moscow when