gas stations. you may be traveling to scenes that feel like the third world upheavals but you're doing it with a first world comfort level. >> how do you characterize his relationship with the foreign press over the years? did he seem to seek out that attention? was he aware of the benefits of bringing in foreign reporters? >> he was very shrewd about the press. i always had the sense that he knew exactly what he was doing, and you could see he was sort of gauging what he had to give and what he needed to do in each interview. if it was somebody who was sort of dropped in from the foreign world that just wanted to bathe in the presence of nelson mandela, they would get a very uplifting speech which was a good speech but one he had given a thousand times and could give in his sleep. if it was somebody who was based there and he knew and had been interviewed by a few times, he knew he had to be a little more analytical. i remember a couple times talking to him about f.w. de