i'm checking out pretty regularly. full disclosure i have been a regular cnn watcher here. >> and we were playing all those clips from fox and i find them interesting because in these clips you can see a sort of editorial debate going back and forth at fox in a way you haven't seen on any other channels. what do you make of bill oo'rei speaking the way he did, is he just looking for an excuse to -- >> i think he's nervous he lost in the demo the younger viewership three nights in a row last week and he started getting nervous. >> right. he wins in the ratings every night pretty much always. >> right. >> to lose even one night was a big deal. >> and then he lost three nights in a row and it must be a terrible thing to over cover something like this because if you're beating bill o'reilly you're wrong. the other nets have seen how cnn has used this to boost its ratings which i don't fault them for at all and they've tried to