nobody understands gibney's position. they were targeted by the church of scientology after he published this 1991 cover story scientology, the cult of greed, how the growing empire squeezes millions from believers worldwide. scientology sued and the case was dismissed by the church meant millions going after him personally he says. he joins us now to talk about what he experienced and what is taking place now. you're an editors for forbes magazine. thanks for coming in. what is going on here? >> i think to a large degree scientology is following the same script and playbook that they followed with us almost 25 years ago. taking out addss, this time in "the new york times" and today "usa today." they spent $3 million with "usa today." they claimed at the time all of