jimmy carter at a presidential press conference when you see these press conferences now, how much has changed and how much has stayed the same with relationships between the press and the presidency. >> for one thing they're more orderly. in those days presidents didn't have a list of reporters -- >> i think the list is kind of -- it sort of makes it less interesting. >> and we would have to hold our hands up and say, mr. president, mr. president, and sometimes they would respond to you and sometimes they didn't. >> then there's a lot less access to the administration or is there more access more transparency? >> people always ask me what's the most manipulative and the most secret administration you have covered? i always say the current one. this one is always more restrik of it than the guys who came before and they had the screws turned down more tightly than the people who came before. they all learned from the