low-level lackey in the russian embassy here -- >> right, they're trying to minimize how significant this was. >> exactly! so you have to put this all together. this is a spy story, these are the hardest kinds of stories to understand what's going on. >> one point, brian, if i can, listen, there have been a lot of stories written. the prior consideration of exfiltrating this source was also, in our story. so there is no conflict there. and what happened, as you know, is that with stories like this, that particular involve the president, that the messaging machine, including fox news, sadly, it's a fact, you know, moves into motion and cites details to the advantage of a counternarrative, right? which often does not reflect the reality of the story. but i know you deal with that every day, brian, so i'm not telling you anything new. >> it is a reality of the world we live in. it's a troubling reality that there's this spin machine that's very powerful these days, but the facts in your story and "the
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