ramifications, the consequences of everyone being in their own bubbles. >> this is not a question of the behavior of the washington post or the new yorker. however flawed we may be in a given moment. this is a question of larger technological trends that have an effect. even fox news, fox news is not reaching 150 million people a night. it's reaching several million. i don't know what the number is. >> 4 million, 5 million viewers. >> it's held through social media and influences other outlets but something like the leadership of facebook, if you're talking about this year and the last couple of years, needs to look itself in the face and take responsibility for the role here. >> when we're talking about how lies and disinformation spreads, so much is about information spreading. in an effort to be seen as neutral, journalists time after time fell into the trap of presenting facts and lies as