obstructionist sort of governance. you couldn't really call it governance that sort of was a precursor or trump. and, you know, when both sides were sort of to be simplistic about it, you say well, you reported something that's somewhat critical of republicans, then you sort of have to say something along the lines of, well, both sides do it. democrats are guilty as well. for years, that was sort of simplistically, that was -- i was able to do that and everyone else was able to do that. but by increasingly from 1995 on, no, it was asymmetric as the political scientists call it and it was more descriptive of republicans than democrats. >> and you cover this in your book "dissent" showing, it's called "dissent" but it's also the descent of the gop. >> it is. >> with that in mind, you say reporters are starting to get it, you get more to this.