trust in media is at rock-bottom low. distrust is now the norm. there are entire networks that exist to tear down the mainstream media. and, look, there are a lot of legitimate media critiques to make. but there are also a lot of cheap, lazy, cynical critiques of the media. and david frum's been writing a lot about those lately. he's back with me for more. david, i have enjoyed your twitter threads lately about what we mean when we say the media, and what we oftentimes mean is the disinformation industry. you have newsrooms that try your best. and then you have media outlets that just try confuse and distort. how do you think people as they navigate this world, how should they think about the quote/unquote media in 2022? >> we should stop thinking about the media as if it were 1972 or