so the questions that have been raised are legitimate, which is does the punishment fit the crime. now, those questions are based on what we know in this moment. as you noted, if there's more that continues to come out, then people may change their judgment on the way that this was handled and why it was handled so quickly and abruptly. >> joanne, does this prompt a broader conversation about workplace romances and how corporate america handles those? >> sure. well, corporate america has done a dreadful job in terms of handling corporate romances because they are incredibly common, by my research at least a third of people have them, but most don't report it, and half of them don't even know what the rules are. but i think that the case here for cnn, for jeff zucker, really is a case of this was an unforced error by every measure by every person involved. i mean, think about this, right, it was considered according --