unless they give that to him he is -- or anyone gives that to him he's going to constantly attack and criticize you. that's why he flipped over to oan, news max, because they weren't willing to go there. fox has been of course less willing to go there these days. >> a little bit. >> as trump said to me in the interview roger ailes built a behemoth but how quickly that can be destroyed. trump has not destroyed fox news but it was incredible to see him delighting in the fact that he was able to really deal a body blow to their ratings for a while after the election when they did something right, they told the truth, they told their audience the truth, but their audience didn't want to hear it. >> didn't want to hear it. >> trump understands that they don't want to hear it, either. he said at one point, which is, you know -- one of these moments of -- he has these moments of lucidity when you realize he is a lot smarter -- people don't give him enough credit and he said to me people don't want to