conversation. i don't expect that any of them would have known the implication of what the president might have been doing there. i think they just were listening. >> would you think this is close to verbatim or would you think -- when you say summary, i think paraphrased, is that fair? >> i think they try to get down the major points as closely as they could without a recording to go and do as stenographers did. i'm not saying there's anyone in the situation room that tried to leave things out. i'm just saying you can't capture the entire conversation with this summary. that's why the whistleblower complaint is so important, because apparently according to news reports this is only one part of an overall pattern. so we'll need to see. but even this, as s.e. was saying, the president has admitted to this. he went one step further. he said he'd do it again. so what choice do we have other