murder as well as his own suicide. >> i remember that -- i remember that the ntsb came to that conclusion, is my memory accurate in that egypt air through the end refused to admit that's what the cause was? >> absolutely. having done this for 40 years and involved in every major crash, we have foreign carriers and foreign government it is many of the governments own the airlines we run into resistance for the professionalism of the ntsb. and they never wanted to acknowledge that their pilot had done this they wanted to blame it on some kind of mechanical error. you are 100% right. your memory is spot on. and that's what happened in 40 years i want you to understand and having been involved in the lockerbie disaster and representing the fellow -- the people todd beamer and jeremy glick in united 93 during 9/11 this is such a rare occurrence. as a pilot over 40 year this is is such a rare occurrence this is really the only time i have