and that's going to be very troublesome for the democratic party given just how unpopular she is. >> well, his numbers, kathryn, but up "the wall street journal" on the screen. his numbers are clearly underwater. he's got a 57% disapproval in the until "the wall street jou." do you also have her approval numbers? bret just referenced vice president kamala harris. you can put up her numbers as well. while you do, i'll say this to bret, the person who is rooting against your prescription is the vice president of the united states. because right now, no one can organize, no one can fund raise, no one can do anything, and the longer that situation continues, she's in the primary position of being able then to just step right in and assume that mantle if he doesn't run. >> and that's something that, michael, should panic democrats. i can't see the screen, but the average that i saw had her as