talk. had he come clean and said guess, i did it, and here is why, there would be no appeal. that would all be over. but, like, how did you read that moment? >> you know, i think, i was sitting there, and i think i actually gasped. it was one of the most heavy and fascinating moments of my career. and the judge really put a lot of thought into what he had to say. he will be 72 soon, he knew the murdaugh family. he took the spray personally, he said he took it as an assault on the judicial system, an assault on law enforcement, these various lies that he said alex had told. and he gave him the opportunity to say it's rare for a defendant to tell what actually happened, but i know when you