much. how does -- i mean, do people leave it up to kevin mccarthy to decide, okay, enough is enough, i'm going to take my hat out or do people -- does somebody go to him? >> sooner or later there will have to be a conversation about what's good for the institution and what's good for the country. and so, again, we have this standoff where mccarthy's backers are fighting these 19 and at some point somebody will have to blink but they have to think about, you know, the institution of the congress, the house itself. because it looks -- this looks terrible. the american public, you've already heard donors calling, saying, what's going on? there's no organization obviously so at some point, i think some of the adults in the republican conference will have to say we have to end had. >> that's not the 19. >> no? that's the other group. >> that's what i'm saying. >> they'll have to go to him -- it's simple. you can't win. it's over. we're not going to vote for you another round because we can't. we're going to scalise.