criminal illegal aliens is something the administration has been talking about. not doing a very good job. but trump is trump. if you like trump, you like what you saw. if you don't, you find this unfathomable. you think the gop is having an out of body experience and you cannot make heads or tails out of it. >> i agree with that. do you think ben ferguson may have reported in a different way, do you believe univision may spin night certain way to be favorable to jorge ramos? >> absolutely. >> you do. >> absolutely. i feel like as i'm listening to this exchange as an american, i'm so frustrated. i feel like again, people are losing signs of what donald trump is trying to say. what he is saying is that people should come to this country legally. and bing that process very well because my husband is going through it right now. and it is extremely expensive. so there's more incentive for