not leap to the conclusion. it doesn't look good. that's why we're talking about it. it doesn't give the american people confidence or some section of the population confidence that everything was done in exactly the right way. >> if you look at the whistle-blower complaint which everybody can go online and read for themselves, the very first paragraph talks about an allegation about president trump who obviously works at the white house. and an allegation about attorney general barr who obviously runs the justice department. sam, let me ask you, are you surprised to hear that the justice department and the white house were in the loop and so early? >> i'm very surprised to hear that the white house was in the loop and then subsequently or before they were contacted, the white house counsel reportedly directed officials to scrub the transcript from the top secret system and to transfer a document on to the code word system.