were doing was legal? >> in one e-mail a lawyer working in arizona literally describes them as quote-unquote fake electors, so what we would be doing is sending these fake electors, he has in quotes, to go cast ballots. in another e-mail there was a discussion about fear from some officials. this would be seen as quote-unquote treasonous. >> what might have happened had pence trying to go through with this idea that he could reject electoral votes and send them back to the states biden won such as arizona, pennsylvania, wisconsin, georgia? >> he would have immediately plunged the country into what i characterize as a revolution within a paralyzing constitutional crisis. >> there's just no way that the framers of the constitution who divided power and authority, who separated it out, who had broken