hirschmann and whoever the other young man was said, you can name her whatever you want to name her and no one's going to pay any attention to it. >> how did he respond, how did the president respond to that? >> something like, you see what i deal with, i deal with this all the time. >> reporter: the meeting was extremely heated. with cipollone arguing against the special counsel idea and against seizure of voting machines. >> that the federal government seize voting machines? it's a terrible idea. that's not how we do things in the united states. there's no legal authority to do that. the three of them were really forcefully attacking me verbally. and we were pushing back, and we were asking one simple question.