radicals have been the most effective fighters and therefore become the most prominent on the scene. part of the problem, i've had discussion with senator mccain about this in munich a couple months ago is we haven't come forward with the more modern elements and giving them the kind of support that would raise their credibility and effectiveness. so recognizing it's a challenging area because you're not sure who friend is, who foe is, are standing on the sidelines doesn't mean we're going to be out of the issue. we're going to be disengaged but we may become victimized. we need to actually become more engaged in selecting who to support. >> i think all the options are bad here for the united states. the worst option would be to do nothing. the civil war is spreading and could affect lebanon, jordan and iraq. there are more than a million refugees outside of the country, according to the u.n. so the worst option for the united states would be not to lead, not to get involved politically to help the refugees and also to support the modern -- moderate rebel groups that need support. >> thank you both for coming. >> thank you. >> when we return, figuring out