thing to do. i think he thought it was the wrong thing to do to shut down government. i think he thinks imsimilar good politics for republicans. he believes that the debt limit ought not to be put at risk. the shutdown occurred because of the deal on the debt limit. that's the same thing that happened in august of 2011. we'll see whether or not he can get his caucus to vote to get the debt limit done as i think many of thiz caucus believe ought to be done, put behind them, not precipitate another shutdown of government. >> look, we negotiated a debt ceiling deal in 2011. i voted for that. while we raised the debt, we reduced the debt long term. i thought that was the appropriate thing do. i think trying to find some way to link some of these things together is the appropriate thing to do. but many the end nobody's defaulted on the debt in the history of the united states. nobody did in october. i don't think we will next month either. >> and just to sort of put a button on what you're saying, what you're hearing now is the