straightforward fashion. she makes missteps, but at least she has policy points and is engaging in the discussion. >> you've endorsed her? >> i hope it means something, but, yeah, i will throw that out there. >> ken, talk to me about why it is that some people -- i'm not saying you feel this way. why are some people resentful of the black lives matter hash tag? >> i think the way bakari said it is actually very valuable, adding "too" at the end puts it in a context that makes sense. >> it's implicit though. >> you may say that, and there's plenty of reason to understand that, but i don't think every american hears it that way. they hear here we are, yes, we have this political motivation that we're separating out this one category of americans and saying they matter more than everybody else. that's actually what a lot -- >> we're saying stop killing us. we're saying my life matters. >> i understand that. that's why you have the retort. all lives matter. we're not leaving these out,