or should we, in fact, have that query come next november? i think that's legitimate. i think there's precedent here. andrew jackson in 1834 was censured. it said we're not going to say nothing, but we don't know that we can actually pull off a change, therefore, we're going to let the people decide. >> i want clarify. congressman sanford, do you worry at all about a precedent where it is acceptable for a president to use the power of his office to pressure foreign leaders, especially of countries that really need u.s. help like ukraine, to pressure them to investigate rivals? because if that precedent is acceptable, and i hear people in the president's camp saying that's okay, do you worry about that? >> completely. >> it goes on forever. right? >> i completely agree with you. let me be 100% clear. i don't think it's right. end of story. the question is what do you do about it? and that's a more complex