an open hearing. now, as you noted, sondland already amended his closed-door testimony once. he didn't mention anything about the july 26th phone call between trump and sondland that david holmes testified about on friday. david holmes said he heard president trump pushing for the investigations. is sondland a credible witness? if not, how can democrats rely on his testimony? >> well, sondland clearly didn't tell the truth in his initial testimony. i don't know why he decided to ultimately come clean about the fact they were engaged in an extortion campaign but he did so. and i think over the weekend, mr. sondland has to decide whether his primary loyalty is to america or whether his primary loyalty is to the president of the united states. it seems clear he was, in fact, talking pretty regularly, potentially with the president directly. if that was the case, he needs to explain that. ultimately this is about his